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healing type of conferences and the

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participants are usually therapists and

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energy workers on e 90% are women they

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talk about how they really get the stuff

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and then they go home to their

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engineering boyfriends and husbands and

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vessel without it looks like all the

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boyfriends the core engineers and

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academic came tonight so thank you for

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coming and your girlfriends and wives

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are wonderful by the way so I'm a

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psychiatrist I worked at Spaulding rehab

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hospital in the pain management program

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for about 30 years have a long-standing

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interest in energy medicine and some of

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the healing modalities which I learned

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about kind of before my brainwashing

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process was complete so I've been

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traveling both tracks and chronic pain

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allows you the opportunity because

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patients are miserable they're willing

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to try anything so we've used a lot of

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these energy modalities over the years

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and one situation in particular really

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caught my attention because it was very

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hard to explain by the standard medical

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model its phantom limb pain so I'm gonna

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be talking about that clinically and

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energetically in some ways the best way

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to start is actually with a brief

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five-minute video clip so let me just

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let's eat the aptly named John Peter who

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after losing an arm saw the company

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which provides amputees salt people for

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films my mother hasn't 20 years ago my

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fault basically and that the dead are

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active what our absolute student is

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phantom limb pain you do something here

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talk us through how that works

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it's all since different heights

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different levels of pain sometimes it

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feels like she's got a finger stuck pins

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needle type in and in there are times

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pain it's really nice to feel the

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fingers and forces you know still feel

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perhaps the fingers I hear like a movie

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but wrestling with you which haven't

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been entirely comfortable although it's

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sort of it's related to that but I

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deserve them because just draw around

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your prosthetic hand there

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Davina so it's a part for me and a dryer

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if you could take your phone

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so biology is a popular kind of

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imaginary game first thing I'd like to

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just about that your arm is that sighs

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just help you this motorized for me and

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then this is imaginary game that's right

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arm on this angle

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it's absolutely this sensitive and

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vibrant alive the sister was and in

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imaginary going I'm going to touch a lot

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of fingers obviously it would be

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physically impossible for you to feel

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much from those things I'm touching

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because there is essentially nothing

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there at all

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but instead of you thinking I don't know

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what you do think what if I didn't know

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which finger when I feel good touch it

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but I didn't ask used to just so that

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everybody knows that you really aren't

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left from you just turn your head to the

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left that's right touch one of the

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Akira Ernest just taken what mister that

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recession since I should being character

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from thee touch receptors in the dermis

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of the skin there a message we Carol

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always fun comment your brain where it's

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interpreted as it's an accession of one

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of those fingers being touched and then

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imaginary secession can you tell which

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no muscle mister anything we're going to

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be trying it and what are the islands of

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a building right so if you do the same

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thing for me personalized just going off

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objects here on the table I'm gonna

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beginning to the sensation their weight

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or Tavish our service but you know I

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you get first innocence on this moon

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Sophia sleuth okay what about shape okay

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I know I know when you shake it and

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that's gonna be you think you know who

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can't do it so I think more into that

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gets the calendar so that's become that

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the batter again wants like a

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role-playing game play the role of

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something you feel something in there so

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kind of this is very distinguished I

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can't wait a little to see you get any

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there's no bad so she won't but then do

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let's listen to one more song pleasure I

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saw you change to something else okay

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ceramic is you getting like a cooler

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harder more solid surface shape just

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I felt that the kind of smoothness the

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coldness the essence for any first touch

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hope is very hard kind of picked a

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different artist sensation to gain from

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weight cold sweetness whatever you can

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kind of discern Dave that's quite scary

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had hasn't been there for need for years

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very very very scary well the

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limitations of biomedical model because

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that says that everything originates in

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the brain and the nervous system and if

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there's nothing else that couldn't

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happen so I gave this presentation of

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very similar presentations just about a

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month ago at Harvard at the Medical

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study research design for Integrative

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Medicine and you know seem like a good

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audience I presented this same slide

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that slide I mean video to them and here

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were some of their potential

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explanations and you can see what the

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what the mentality is behind its total

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complete skepticism about the existence

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of any kind of energy and you know these

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are possibilities that he might have

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peaked and they might have edited it out

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time and you know all I think these

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things could have happened that required

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an incredible amount of deception and

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ill will for that to happen but you know

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this is this is where a lot of academic

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centers draw the line and that's why in

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phantom pain is my favorite pain

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disorder because it really shows the

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limitations of the medical model so let

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me take you through a little bit of a

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history of it and show you what we can

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learn from it so this was the Bible in

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medical school Grey's Anatomy if you

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knew though everything about the muscles

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tissues you could explain everything and

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stimulus travels up to the brain where

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peripheral not systemic you know there's

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more subdivisions and we can break it

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down into the earth the brain interprets

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fortunately there's been a revised

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edition of Gray's Anatomy some of you

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may know the work of Alex gray sacred

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mirrors and just the whole notion that

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we're luminous beings and they have all

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of different kinds of energy

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very amazing karmic reincarnation or

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full multi-dimensional model that we

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don't learn to medical school but you

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guys here are researching what are some

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of the aspects of it that are more than

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multi-dimensional and this again is the

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limitation of the medical model is it

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focuses just on the physical body even

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electromagnetism as the language rather

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paradigm we work with and whether you're

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medications are all anticonvulsants

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prozac so really what in an integrative

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person with the pain and the notion that

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pain is providing feedback that it's

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obliterated but to be learned from and

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pain doctor to do some medication where

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appropriate and a very strong behavioral

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people here in the back or is it yeah

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hundred years ago and you know we learn

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better and it's been a part of of our

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famous patient with phantom pain phantom

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limb pain what would you say is the most

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famous you're I'm misleading you the

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literary figure Captain Ahab actually

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had phantom limb

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and there are a couple of quotes from

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moby dick where he talks about it the

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first one he's on the deck talking with

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the carpenter and the carpenter said

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he's heard that a dis masted man you

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know using nautical terms never loses

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the feeling that it will still be

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pricking him at times so the notion that

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there are unpleasant sensations even

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after the amputation has happened so

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then a hab proposes is really an

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experiment that the carpenter takes his

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intact leg in places that where his

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takes away stumps so that two of them

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combined to make one distinct leg to the

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eye yet two to the soul because two

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people are having perceptions there so

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we're thou feel this tingling life they

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are exactly they're they're two a hairdo

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I it's a riddle

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and really that's the the whole notion

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of how do we perceive things that are

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invisible just a more modern at

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treatment of the situation's a movie

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based on a true story of a bicyclist who

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was injured in an automobile accident

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lost his leg and his life spiraled

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downward because he couldn't cycle

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anymore

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he was eventually healed of his phantom

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limb pain and there's a clue here in

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this picture about what the healing

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ingredient of you good at reading body

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language so yes he meets a girl and she

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falls in love with him unconditionally

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despite what happened to him

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and healing happens and that's a very

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important phrase as I'll be talking

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about energy psychology in a bit some of

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the trauma release therapies where that

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particular aspect of unconditional love

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is so crucial so just a little bit about

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the the story of it it happens most

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commonly after post amputation but also

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even with spinal cord injury and a

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majority of amputee patients will have a

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sensation that the limb is there it's

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not always painful but the numbers vary

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all over the place children have much

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lower percentages of the pain itself and

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people who are born without limbs

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congenitally do not have phantom

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and it can affect any organ anything

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that's been removed surgically you can

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have phantoms of and the pains are

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variable and extremely extremely

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unpleasant

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and unfortunately medications and

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surgery and nerve oblations and things

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like that don't work very well so here's

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a fairly recent quote that says

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basically most currently available

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treatments are ineffective this is a

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pictorial display of the different types

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of sensation you can see you wouldn't

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want any part of your body to feel that

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way and the treatments have been aimed

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at every level of your axis of the

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spinal cord all the way up to the brain

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and yet still doesn't work there's a lot

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of very interesting neurobiology that's

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been studied especially with the notion

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of neuroplasticity the model is that the

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phantom sensations are basically

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hallucinations tactile hallucinations

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constructed by the cortex as part of a

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reorganization when you're not receiving

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direct sensations from there the brain

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will rewire to accommodate and they'll

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have F MRIs functional magnetic

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resonance imaging to show differences in

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function after amputation but really

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it's you know this whole idea of

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functional neural Anatomy is not is not

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so you recognize that's been it's been

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around for a long time we're actually

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black at the moment what what's it

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called phrenology thank you yeah they

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had the same idea that different

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emotions are located different bumps in

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the head rather than okay enough taking

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out my aggression on the Western medical

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model so there are many integrator

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approaches to phantom pain including the

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standard sort of by mind-body approaches

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like biofeedback and hypnosis there's an

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innovative approach that evolved eye

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movements while thinking about upsetting

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events that somehow or other helps to

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release upsetting emotions and that's

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been very helpful with phantom pain

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there's a mirror box therapy that is

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really fascinating I don't have time to

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go into it but it involves for example

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if one arm is missing you set up a

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mirror opposite your intact on so that

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it looks to you as though you have both

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arms and hands and fingers there you

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move your intact hands and it looks as

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though you're missing hands are back and

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are working and somehow or other that is

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a very effective course of treatment

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I'll talk about the energetics of it

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later because this is proposed as part

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of the neuroplasticity model that your

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brain rewires and can learn new ways of

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interpreting sensation this takes a

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while though the rewiring process takes

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a while yet you'll see some of these

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energy approaches are much too rapid to

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explain by that model so going back to

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the model that I think is necessary in

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order to understand it the energy field

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model and it's part of our Western

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tradition this is the man

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and you know high spiritual beings are

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often portrayed with some kind of aura

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where Nimbus is if you will this is it

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could be an energy field diagram so so

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exact in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition

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the same idea of different layers to an

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overriding energy field or rainbow body

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as they call it in Islam there's also

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the notion that people attainment also

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have corresponding luminosity I can't

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read this the the doctor is saying to

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his patient he's scolding his patient

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he's saying you've been fooling around

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with alternative medicines haven't you

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and so there's a there's a couple points

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a one is that your aura does expand with

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alternative medicine and the other is

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that if a withered prune of a doctor

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like that can sense energy fields then

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anybody princess and actually there are

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some very simple demonstrations I don't

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know if you're familiar with some of

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these therapeutic touch type approaches

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again we don't have time to do a

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demonstration here but that type of

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sensing that something is between your

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hands forms the basis for what I'm going

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to describe to you and you know now that

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we have modern electronic equipment

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people like Dartmouth folks and others

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are measuring that there is at least an

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electromagnetic type of field

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surrounding us whether that is the

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entirety of the energetics of the human

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field is not there yet well this goes

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back to Franz Mesmer you know most

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people know him as a shaman and a quack

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but there's a very interesting backstory

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to him that he was very successful using

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his animal magnetism and mesmeric passes

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in to such an extent that he was

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threatening the conventional doctors at

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that time and they called the Royal

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Commission and they did a hatchet job on

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and they did you know some testing but

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it was highly biased and now 200 years

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later were coming back to have another

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look at him but the modern nursing

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practice of therapeutic touch is

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actually analog exact analog to his

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mesmeric passes so without going into

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too much detail just say that I learned

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this technique and was using it in some

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of my patients and basically it involves

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feeling this sense that people often get

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a pressure or temperature or something

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you assess first the field around the

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patient so I was doing it with I decided

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to do with one particular patient

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because the normal treatment program

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wasn't particularly helpful he was a guy

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in his mid-30s had been very athletic

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and had lost it was above or below the

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knee and a crush injury at work

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and after the surgical amputation he was

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really hindered by the phantom pain and

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wasn't able to kind of get out of a rut

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and didn't respond well to most of the

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treatments that we did so kind of out of

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desperation on my part a little bit of

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curiosity but was more along I thought

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about I asked him would you'd like to

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try this new treatment called

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therapeutic touch and as I mentioned

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they were willing to try anything second

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he'd laid down on the table he took off

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this prosthesis I said just close your

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eyes and relax and I started excuse me

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by doing this assessment at this field

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and I could feel the same pressure that

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we could feel in our hands I felt on

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this body and for some reason I

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continued down even where his leg was

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missing and much to my surprise I could

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feel that same pressure sensation you

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know down at his foot level even though

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there was no flesh and blood for a

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couple of feet anyway so that kind of

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made me react but as interesting if not

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more so was the patient's response he

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said what are you doing and he opened

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his eyes cuz his eyes have been closed

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and I said what's the matter he said I

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could feel you I could feel your hand

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touching my phantom so those two things

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were profoundly weird in a very positive

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sense because something happened it

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wasn't I suppose you could say it was

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you know there's that term for shared

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delusional system of fully under that we

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had created some sort of something but

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neither of us was expecting and hoping

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and it was very very powerful I

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continued the smoothing out motion and

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he described the pain flowing out a hole

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in the bottom of his foot and I was very

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excited until he said told me to stop he

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asked me to stop and I said why I

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thought it was helping you and he said

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well it is making the pain go away but

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that's a very uncomfortable feeling

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because without the pain I won't have a

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leg and he was psychologically not ready

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to accept fully that he was an amputee

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so the pain was serving a very important

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existential function it overrode

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whatever physical discomfort he might

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have had so in that that was like a 20

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minute session and it literally took me

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20 years to unpack all the things that

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happen

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it was so so rich so oh just to show you

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that therapeutic touch is not just a

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placebo effect they've done studies with

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cell cells in culture in vitro - you

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know fibroblasts are not known for

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having a strong

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recibo response to anything so the fact

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that you can and these are you know

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there are a lot of studies along these

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lines now build stuff with cancers in

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the same vein that it's an animal model

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so take away a lot of the psychological

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variables that humans bring to the table

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so this is just this the summary of that

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case with Jim this it's a really good

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it's a really good embodiment of what

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could be possible unfortunately I only

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came across this picture and this idea

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after I had you know moved from the

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inpatient to outpatient and didn't have

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access to phantom patients but I they

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could at least sense the opposite limbs

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I don't know what would happen if they

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it's worth it's worth worth following up

551
00:24:15,860 --> 00:24:13,019
on so therapeutic touches one way of

552
00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:15,870
treating it the other way is with energy

553
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:19,769
psychology our folks here familiar with

554
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:22,679
EFT or tapping or energy psychologists

555
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:26,220
just yes so number and the notion is

556
00:24:31,369 --> 00:24:28,169
that you can activate your acupuncture

557
00:24:34,009 --> 00:24:31,379
points by tapping yourself and if you do

558
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:34,019
that while you're considering unpleasant

559
00:24:41,389 --> 00:24:36,840
emotions and unpleasant situations in a

560
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,399
frame of mind of self-acceptance you

561
00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:44,000
have that kind of release breath and

562
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:47,700
it's built up a very considerable

563
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:49,710
literature over the last 15 years or so

564
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:51,419
especially with post-traumatic stress

565
00:24:57,180 --> 00:24:55,200
disorder so kind of aside I think it's

566
00:25:00,029 --> 00:24:57,190
the treatment of choice now for a pts

567
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:00,039
even though getting acceptance in the

568
00:25:06,139 --> 00:25:03,970
mainstream is taking a while but yeah I

569
00:25:09,539 --> 00:25:06,149
use this approach with some other

570
00:25:11,489 --> 00:25:09,549
phantom patients and let me show you one

571
00:25:13,499 --> 00:25:11,499
particular approach this is a woman who

572
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:13,509
had heard a finger at work and it got

573
00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:15,970
infected like cut and got infected and

574
00:25:20,849 --> 00:25:18,190
the abscess didn't respond to

575
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:20,859
antibiotics so she it was a bone

576
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:22,690
infection so she ended up having her

577
00:25:26,849 --> 00:25:23,820
finger amputated

578
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,859
however it wasn't all wrote better roses

579
00:25:31,109 --> 00:25:29,200
afterwards because she had so much vamos

580
00:25:33,629 --> 00:25:31,119
with the insurance company and denial of

581
00:25:35,729 --> 00:25:33,639
claims and case management plus it

582
00:25:38,369 --> 00:25:35,739
became painful to wear her prosthetic

583
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:38,379
finger because of the phantom pain she

584
00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:39,970
was ashamed about what the stuff looked

585
00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:41,590
like she didn't socialize

586
00:25:46,769 --> 00:25:44,590
so there's a whole downward spiral we

587
00:25:48,450 --> 00:25:46,779
did two sessions with this and it's

588
00:25:51,810 --> 00:25:48,460
really it's a very brief ten-minute

589
00:25:54,060 --> 00:25:51,820
process of even though I hate the way my

590
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,070
stump looks and even though I'm angry at

591
00:25:57,930 --> 00:25:56,080
the case manager I accept myself fully

592
00:26:01,769 --> 00:25:57,940
and completely tap through them some

593
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:01,779
things very simple easy to learn so she

594
00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:04,690
did it twice and then excuse me the next

595
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:06,190
time she came back got a very

596
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:08,289
mischievous grin and she said dr. Les

597
00:26:15,659 --> 00:26:09,609
Corts I have something I want to show

598
00:26:18,029 --> 00:26:15,669
you she's able to wear her prosthetic

599
00:26:20,129 --> 00:26:18,039
finger that yeah in the course of those

600
00:26:23,369 --> 00:26:20,139
two as a result of those two treatments

601
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:23,379
her pain dissipated she was able to you

602
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:25,570
know put it back in place and she was

603
00:26:30,269 --> 00:26:28,090
able to resume socialization and do all

604
00:26:31,619 --> 00:26:30,279
all the things that made her life

605
00:26:34,229 --> 00:26:31,629
important it was just a very simple

606
00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:34,239
approach because you know honestly you

607
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:36,820
don't expect a surgeon to ask about how

608
00:26:43,289 --> 00:26:39,609
emotionally upsetting it was to you know

609
00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:43,299
lose a limb in an accident or although

610
00:26:47,389 --> 00:26:45,460
sometimes a couple of examples they had

611
00:26:50,989 --> 00:26:47,399
patients went into surgery thinking

612
00:26:53,629 --> 00:26:50,999
but remove a diabetic gangrene and they

613
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:53,639
woke up to found their whole foot so the

614
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:56,129
whole helplessness around that is a

615
00:27:02,209 --> 00:26:58,440
common feeling so these are some of the

616
00:27:03,589 --> 00:27:02,219
other kinds of traumas recorded by not

617
00:27:05,629 --> 00:27:03,599
just phantom limb patients I mean

618
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:05,639
obviously these are universal types of

619
00:27:09,619 --> 00:27:08,369
traumas but each phantom patient that

620
00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:09,629
the phantom limb patient that I work

621
00:27:15,129 --> 00:27:11,580
with had one of these to a significant

622
00:27:18,829 --> 00:27:15,139
degree a lot of it is about anger for

623
00:27:22,009 --> 00:27:18,839
doctors not helping or the accident

624
00:27:25,009 --> 00:27:22,019
itself often an adult minor

625
00:27:27,259 --> 00:27:25,019
adult injury will trigger similar but

626
00:27:28,820 --> 00:27:27,269
much more intense childhood memory and a

627
00:27:30,889 --> 00:27:28,830
lot of it is shame people are just

628
00:27:33,589 --> 00:27:30,899
ashamed of how of their appearance and

629
00:27:36,219 --> 00:27:33,599
it's hard to accept so that feeling of

630
00:27:38,659 --> 00:27:36,229
hopelessness is the common denominator

631
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:38,669
this is a protocol for a study and I'm

632
00:27:44,959 --> 00:27:40,609
not showing it it's not a very

633
00:27:46,369 --> 00:27:44,969
incredibly elaborate or complicated one

634
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:46,379
but I'm telling you this because it got

635
00:27:50,899 --> 00:27:48,210
rejected twice through Harvard Medical

636
00:27:52,489 --> 00:27:50,909
School once was it was just to see

637
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:52,499
whether you could demonstrate positive

638
00:27:56,329 --> 00:27:54,809
benefits from this tapping protocol the

639
00:28:00,320 --> 00:27:56,339
first time around it was rejected

640
00:28:01,579 --> 00:28:00,330
because there were too many factors to

641
00:28:03,529 --> 00:28:01,589
the treatment and it would be important

642
00:28:05,749 --> 00:28:03,539
to dismantle them to know which elements

643
00:28:07,820 --> 00:28:05,759
of treatment were important so I rewrote

644
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:07,830
it as a dismantling study and next year

645
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,690
submitted again and that time it got

646
00:28:13,879 --> 00:28:11,820
rejected because we didn't know whether

647
00:28:15,349 --> 00:28:13,889
it was effective or not we needed to put

648
00:28:17,659 --> 00:28:15,359
all the elements together and do a

649
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:17,669
proof-of-concept test study so I

650
00:28:23,089 --> 00:28:19,769
realized that was a catch-22 and I

651
00:28:25,579 --> 00:28:23,099
wasn't going out well so I didn't pursue

652
00:28:28,459 --> 00:28:25,589
that research but what really got me

653
00:28:30,829 --> 00:28:28,469
interested was the idea of imaging the

654
00:28:34,099 --> 00:28:30,839
phantom limb because pictures worth a

655
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:34,109
thousand words one image of a phantom in

656
00:28:37,879 --> 00:28:36,210
space you can't talk your way out of

657
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,889
that one so there are a couple of

658
00:28:42,169 --> 00:28:40,559
different technologies and approaches

659
00:28:45,139 --> 00:28:42,179
they want to talk about in the last few

660
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:45,149
minutes here clairvoyant perception is

661
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:46,530
an important one

662
00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:48,810
you may know Donnie evening to work with

663
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,150
Eden energy medicine has been really

664
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:53,520
crucial and she can see energy fields

665
00:28:57,770 --> 00:28:56,100
much like we got who I was talking with

666
00:29:00,410 --> 00:28:57,780
the Chi Institute

667
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:00,420
Rosalind Briere is the medical intuitive

668
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:02,400
consultant there and she could see the

669
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:04,500
energy in the absent legs and she could

670
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:07,170
see the meridian lines as strongly as it

671
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,480
was legs are still there so you know if

672
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,760
you work with someone and trust them

673
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:13,200
that's impressive but if you're a

674
00:29:16,550 --> 00:29:15,240
skeptic it's still not there so what are

675
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:16,560
some of the the gizmos that are

676
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:20,910
available this is um this book was very

677
00:29:25,580 --> 00:29:23,100
important 25 years ago when it first

678
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:25,590
came out and the cover is a Kirlian

679
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:27,390
image people people know about curling

680
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:29,820
photography that the bio field that

681
00:29:34,550 --> 00:29:32,310
exists around the healthy leaf so the

682
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:34,560
question was what would you predict

683
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:37,410
would happen you chopped off the tip of

684
00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:40,640
the leaf with the field follow

685
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:44,100
continuously to the tissue of the leaf

686
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:47,220
over something else and because this is

687
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:49,170
a savvy audience I'm not gonna surprise

688
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:51,450
anybody oh well that's just how it's set

689
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:51,600
up

690
00:29:56,660 --> 00:29:53,640
but um this is what this is what it

691
00:29:58,340 --> 00:29:56,670
looks like that some sort of field

692
00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:58,350
residue is still there even though

693
00:30:04,940 --> 00:30:01,320
there's no remaining tissue so it's not

694
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,950
that the electromagnetic phenomena is

695
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:06,480
generated by the water or the

696
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:08,910
chlorophyll of cell membranes or

697
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:11,460
something it's somehow separate and

698
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:16,380
possibly even prior to the cell itself

699
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:18,690
this is that was a much earlier study

700
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:21,710
this is a more recent one which has

701
00:30:27,050 --> 00:30:25,320
detail this is where the cut was made so

702
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,060
there's no there's no leaf up there

703
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:29,760
it's the electromagnetic structure is

704
00:30:33,530 --> 00:30:31,770
just as detailed where there isn't a

705
00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:33,540
leaf as where there is leaf and this is

706
00:30:37,910 --> 00:30:35,700
just shortly after the cut it dissipates

707
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:37,920
with time some you know the the leaf

708
00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:40,530
isn't part of a living plant which is a

709
00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:42,990
whole other aspect of the experiment to

710
00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:45,750
test so you know how to understand that

711
00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:48,420
I think this this image is probably the

712
00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:50,430
best way you think of the cells of the

713
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:52,870
body well you know this is the

714
00:30:57,630 --> 00:30:55,360
in a magnetic field that the cells in

715
00:31:00,690 --> 00:30:57,640
the body are like the iron filings in if

716
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:00,700
you brush away if you amputate the iron

717
00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:03,130
filings the magnetic lines of force was

718
00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:05,140
still there we happen not to be able to

719
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:06,940
see them with our eyes but they can

720
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:09,760
still be there and they can still do

721
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:13,510
their function so here's a bonus feature

722
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:16,090
for tip from today's Lecter you know

723
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:20,680
what that's an image of that's self set

724
00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:22,510
cell division mitosis it was a bit

725
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,660
chromosomes from one cell splitting to

726
00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:28,000
form a second cell and the reason I'm

727
00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:29,620
showing you this is just look at the

728
00:31:43,169 --> 00:31:40,360
shape why I mean what what does why

729
00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:43,179
would each individual cell have its own

730
00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:44,350
magnetic field

731
00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:47,260
that seemingly is directing cell mitosis

732
00:31:52,650 --> 00:31:50,140
so I'm just tossing that out there if

733
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:52,660
any of you're angling for a Nobel Prize

734
00:31:58,140 --> 00:31:55,720
there you go just just mention me in

735
00:31:59,970 --> 00:31:58,150
your acceptance speech no but there's

736
00:32:02,840 --> 00:31:59,980
something something significant in that

737
00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:02,850
image and I have not seen it addressed

738
00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:06,190
appropriately so just a quick survey of

739
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:09,220
some of the attempts we've made to image

740
00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:13,120
the Fantom this is actually just a Xerox

741
00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:16,630
of my hand in this position because we

742
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:19,240
tried to take a curling image of a

743
00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:21,970
patient who is missing the distal joint

744
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:24,070
of his thumb so what you're gonna see as

745
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:27,570
the as the Kirlian image is in that same

746
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:32,170
alignment this is a very cool looking

747
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:34,630
image but unfortunately his his finger

748
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:37,050
was the missing part was out here so

749
00:32:43,890 --> 00:32:40,090
this is just showing something around

750
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:43,900
the living tissue the the acupuncture

751
00:32:48,419 --> 00:32:45,910
and curling photographer a person that I

752
00:32:52,919 --> 00:32:48,429
worked with Marni nazar some of you may

753
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:52,929
know her work thanks thought that it

754
00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:55,090
just required too much electrical

755
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,550
intensity and overrode whatever field

756
00:32:59,640 --> 00:32:59,200
there might be so we're working on a

757
00:33:01,440 --> 00:32:59,650
reef

758
00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:01,450
with the Institute of frontier science

759
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:05,590
people Beverly Rubik and her team gdv is

760
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:08,340
a way of assessing activity of

761
00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:12,130
acupuncture meridians in each finger and

762
00:33:18,990 --> 00:33:17,470
it construct the software construct what

763
00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:19,000
the bio field looks like this is a

764
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:21,400
person who's missing a leg and the field

765
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:23,410
looks the same but it's not it's not a

766
00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:25,690
direct image so it's not quite what we

767
00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:28,300
were hoping for so we turn to england

768
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:31,780
and p IP probably contrast interference

769
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:34,510
photography this is an image of a holy

770
00:33:39,510 --> 00:33:37,210
man that supposedly shows his spreading

771
00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:39,520
aura and on their their website they had

772
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:41,920
a picture of using that approach with

773
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:48,250
someone with i can't really tell they

774
00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:51,940
had him tilt sideways and they claimed

775
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:53,830
this shows the phantom limb

776
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:55,510
i wasn't convinced so I worked with

777
00:34:02,550 --> 00:33:58,690
Center for bio field research in India

778
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:02,560
and gathered a fair number of subjects

779
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,630
and positioned them you know in a

780
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:07,360
sensible way so the arm or the leg is

781
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:09,640
away from the body and this is what it

782
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,950
looks like there's there's nothing out

783
00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:14,399
there so they have to acknowledge that

784
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:18,669
their device isn't yet able to to sense

785
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:20,950
that to detect the phantom so as things

786
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:24,490
stand now there is not an analogue to

787
00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:26,590
the phantom leaf effect we don't have a

788
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:30,040
clear image of a phantom human but those

789
00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:31,750
are the directions that we're working on

790
00:34:35,790 --> 00:34:33,820
and I think it's really important to

791
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:35,800
understand the trauma links because

792
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:37,720
energy and trauma are so closely

793
00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:40,810
connected and it goes back to a

794
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:43,060
traditional Chinese medicine that the

795
00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:45,250
mind directs the energy and the

796
00:34:49,530 --> 00:34:47,350
emotional and emotions can block the

797
00:34:52,350 --> 00:34:49,540
energy flow and that will impact your

798
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:52,360
physiology so the key finding is that

799
00:34:57,330 --> 00:34:54,060
some of these energy treatments

800
00:35:01,710 --> 00:34:57,340
dissipate the pain too quickly to be

801
00:35:03,570 --> 00:35:01,720
result of neuroplasticity and that

802
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:03,580
there's something energetic that happens

803
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:07,390
first and the brain follows suit you

804
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:09,130
don't have all those steps mapped out

805
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,970
yet

806
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:11,920
but we have a ways to go if you want to

807
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:14,260
read more detail about fleshing out this

808
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:17,310
model that's a good one

809
00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:19,390
blasting out this model I mean you know

810
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:22,750
the inner mind is pretty pretty funny

811
00:35:28,650 --> 00:35:25,140
attempt this is this is available from

812
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:28,660
Explorer the Journal of healing and

813
00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:30,910
consciousness and just want to say that

814
00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:33,400
doing work like we're doing here in this

815
00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:35,340
conference feels like that this medieval

816
00:35:40,109 --> 00:35:38,200
Shepherd who's wandered a little bit far

817
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:40,119
afield the point where he's broken

818
00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:43,330
through you know the barriers of reality

819
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,180
as he knows it and is now able to watch

820
00:35:50,220 --> 00:35:48,400
and listen to the music of his fears and

821
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,230
I think that's what these conferences do

822
00:35:54,930 --> 00:35:51,760
they allow us to kind of break break

823
00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:54,940
through the paradigm in' and in a shared

824
00:35:58,890 --> 00:35:57,160
aesthetic not just not just imagine what

825
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,900
he's gonna encounter when he goes back

826
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:00,880
down to the village but if you meet up

827
00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:02,890
with other shepherds who cooked through

828
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:04,660
that veil then then some cool stuff

829
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:06,730
happens so those are the main points I

830
00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:07,750
want to make thank you for your

831
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:08,790
attention

832
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:18,310
a few years ago I had one of the big

833
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:22,000
early programs to electrically stimulate

834
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:27,320
paraplegics the stand and walk and of

835
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:29,890
course they had no motor function and

836
00:36:35,530 --> 00:36:33,050
they had very little or zero sensory

837
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,540
function because the Mont electrical

838
00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:38,240
energy used for able-bodied person could

839
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,020
never stand the pain but I required them

840
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:45,440
to have proprioception meaning you know

841
00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:47,990
propria chefs they had to know in space

842
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,540
where the limbs were was an open-loop

843
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:52,400
program so that I could be successful

844
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:54,890
they had to know where the limbs were in

845
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:58,570
space yes spinal cord injured

846
00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:02,480
paraplegics and a number of patients I

847
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,000
never rejected a person they all have

848
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:07,760
proprioception even though they didn't

849
00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:09,290
have I know they didn't have little

850
00:37:14,860 --> 00:37:11,840
sensory because they couldn't stand the

851
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:14,870
pain that is anybody looked that you

852
00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:16,310
know I just thought well there must be

853
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:18,230
some separate nerve path that they

854
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:20,270
didn't have but what your uncle suggests

855
00:37:24,970 --> 00:37:22,490
that there may be something else that

856
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:24,980
gives them the proprioception clue I

857
00:37:29,140 --> 00:37:27,050
think that's an energetic sensation that

858
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,150
they're experiencing and the example

859
00:37:34,330 --> 00:37:30,560
that comes to mind is there's a yoga

860
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:34,340
instructor from Minnesota who himself is

861
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:37,460
pathologic and got into yoga as part of

862
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,290
his recovery process he's still

863
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,920
paralyzed but he's developed such fine

864
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:44,240
sensitivity to what goes on that he

865
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:46,130
feels this sense of presence he calls it

866
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,810
he feels presence in the rest of his

867
00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:49,760
body so that's what he trains his

868
00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:52,430
patients to do is to to feel and be with

869
00:37:56,110 --> 00:37:54,200
their body so that it's not just you

870
00:37:57,940 --> 00:37:56,120
know dragging along and chunk of wood

871
00:37:59,710 --> 00:37:57,950
kind of thing and so it's exactly that

872
00:38:06,310 --> 00:37:59,720
that proprioceptive sense so I think

873
00:38:08,770 --> 00:38:06,320
that's energetic rather than Erich

874
00:38:10,570 --> 00:38:08,780
quickly it done on me in seeing some of

875
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:10,580
your imagery of beliefs and stuff there

876
00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:12,980
was a guy George de la loire who did

877
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:15,140
some pictures I think radionics pictures

878
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:15,420
that

879
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:17,700
quite remember how it was but what

880
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:21,000
struck me is when the pictures were best

881
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:23,400
focused it was a time thing so if you

882
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:27,780
imagine just like tuning a lens and I

883
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,690
forget exactly what the point was but

884
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:33,359
that there was a moment in time when it

885
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,849
was most in focus and the other images

886
00:38:41,299 --> 00:38:37,740
when they weren't synchronized with time

887
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,309
correctly were just more out of focus

888
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,040
but they were not non-existent yeah well

889
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:46,079
there are a lot of variables involved

890
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:47,730
and that's why for example the phantom

891
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:49,890
leaf suspect it depends on the

892
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:51,750
photographer some people had a knack for

893
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:53,569
getting those images and others couldn't

894
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:56,280
one theory is that there was active it's

895
00:39:01,579 --> 00:38:58,530
an interactive process but it's not just

896
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:01,589
a leaf there on a operator here that if

897
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:03,210
there's an energetic connection it so

898
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,490
that activates the leaf to show its

899
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:08,040
field more directly so might have been

900
00:39:15,049 --> 00:39:09,890
the same with the the radionics

901
00:39:17,049 --> 00:39:15,059
situation I can't give me the author's

902
00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:17,059
name but I'm sure you're familiar with

903
00:39:22,309 --> 00:39:19,740
there's been several rubber hand

904
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:22,319
illusion studies and and one in

905
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:25,619
particular I read was that when the

906
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:27,900
person is experiencing that out of phase

907
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:29,940
or disc coincidence where their hand is

908
00:39:34,099 --> 00:39:31,380
kind of mapping onto the rubber hand

909
00:39:37,220 --> 00:39:34,109
that the actual physical temperature in

910
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:37,230
their actual hand drops by about a

911
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,010
degree or so and which is a huge amount

912
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:43,200
right and so I think what's really

913
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:46,020
interesting is that you know we we know

914
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,849
this subjectively or anecdotally through

915
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:50,400
out-of-body experience that you know

916
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:52,500
there's there's ways to get out of phase

917
00:39:55,609 --> 00:39:53,730
or just coincidence with the physical

918
00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:55,619
body without you know have necessarily

919
00:40:01,299 --> 00:39:57,660
have the trauma so I think be

920
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:01,309
interesting even with a non you know

921
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:03,210
seven limb case where you could actually

922
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,510
see if you can no photograph the the

923
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:08,640
rubber hand or you know try to even have

924
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:10,650
someone just reproduce something that's

925
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:13,049
slightly out of disc coincidence but as

926
00:40:16,609 --> 00:40:14,940
a follow-up to that I think it's kind of

927
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:16,619
interesting though is that when people

928
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:18,630
do experience you know I'm gonna call

929
00:40:23,069 --> 00:40:20,170
Asheville travel

930
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:23,079
whatever there you know those veridical

931
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:24,970
elements you can could be somewhere and

932
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:28,089
that's the things but we still bring her

933
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:30,130
clothes with us right you subjectively

934
00:40:33,630 --> 00:40:32,230
see yourself with clothes if you go and

935
00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:33,640
you meet outside of the body your

936
00:40:37,049 --> 00:40:35,109
colleagues or whatever they're gonna be

937
00:40:39,059 --> 00:40:37,059
wearing clothes so so what is that it's

938
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,069
like there's something that it's part of

939
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:42,160
it points to this idea of a actual

940
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:44,770
mediating body that's generating this

941
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:46,270
energetic field that you're seeing is

942
00:40:49,799 --> 00:40:48,190
the aura it was like maybe like a pair

943
00:40:51,809 --> 00:40:49,809
of body or psycho soma or what have you

944
00:40:54,059 --> 00:40:51,819
but then part of it seems like we bring

945
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:54,069
our conditioned elements with it so

946
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:55,510
there's like this you know what's really

947
00:40:59,460 --> 00:40:57,250
generating what's the over body that's

948
00:41:02,430 --> 00:40:59,470
generating this construction of the you

949
00:41:04,289 --> 00:41:02,440
know yeah again these phenomena are

950
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:04,299
generated so many different levels it's

951
00:41:08,819 --> 00:41:06,790
they're all they all play a role for

952
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:08,829
example with with phantom limb sometimes

953
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:10,569
if the pain isn't there and there's the

954
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:13,270
presence over time it retracts and

955
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:15,849
absorb resorbs into the body and there's

956
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:17,380
no longer that sense there and I'm sure

957
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:20,650
that that reflects some measurable

958
00:41:24,059 --> 00:41:22,329
change in the external and you should

959
00:41:26,339 --> 00:41:24,069
talk to people like Jim Tucker looking

960
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:26,349
at the you know kids that have the

961
00:41:32,579 --> 00:41:30,490
experience last they have the scars and

962
00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:32,589
everything from the from the energetic

963
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:34,420
body damage cell right right so which

964
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:36,460
which level of that multi-dimensional